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Mi obavili dva puta, prvi put na lijevom koljenu, drugi put na desnom u općoj anesteziji. dr.kaže da učinak može u nekim slučajevima biti i trajan.
Osim punkcije kojom se izvlači tekućina, primjenjuje se i intrartikularno kortikosteroid u zglob.

http://www.medicinenet.com/cortisone_in ... rticle.htm


Zadnja izmjena: kate; 17-04-2009 12:55; ukupno mijenjano 3 put/a.

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Ankle intra-articular steroid effective in juvenile arthritis
Janis Kelly
April 4, 2006
Toronto, ON - Image-guided steroid injection produces durable clinical improvement in inflamed ankles of children with juvenile idiopathic arthritis and may help prevent irreversible deformity, Dr Kevin Baskin (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, PA) reported at the 2006 Society of Interventional Radiology annual scientific meeting [1].
"The take-home message is to get into the joint and treat acute disease before there are chronic sequelae. Treat every time they have an acute flare until the disease burns out in adulthood, as it does for many. There is a good chance patients can be spared permanent loss of mobility, gait disturbances, pain, and disfigurement," Baskin told rheumawire.
Fluoroscopy guides steroid injection into difficult joint
There is a good chance patients can be spared permanent loss of mobility, gait disturbances, pain, and disfigurement.
Baskin and colleagues at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia conducted a pilot study of fluoroscopically guided intra-articular ankle steroid injections in 38 children with symptoms of ankle arthritis that suggested involvement of the subtalar joint, such as decreased inversion or eversion.
"Rheumatologists are used to injecting into more accessible joints and report that such steroid treatments are frequently successful," Baskin said. "Complex joints such as the subtalar or temporomandibular are hard to access, which is how we interventional radiologists got involved. The subtalar joint is triple-faceted and extremely complex and difficult to treat with traditional methods. We found a 91% clinical improvement that lasted a mean of 1.3 years after corticosteroid was injected directly into the inflamed joint using fluoroscopy for precise needle placement."
The patients had a mean age of 4.4 years (range 1.2-13.6 years) and median elapsed time from diagnosis to intra-articular steroid treatment of 0.1 year (range 0.0-7.6 years).
Patients were sedated for the injections, which were done as outpatient procedures. The researchers injected 1 mL or less of triamcinolone hexacetonide or acetonide into the mid subtalar joint using a lateral oblique approach. Clinical improvement was evaluated by change in foot inversion and eversion at follow-up office visits. Fifty-five subtalar injections were done in the 38 children.
Treatment was followed by clinical improvement (physician's subjective judgment of improved ankle mobility, plus reduction in pain) or complete resolution of symptoms and return to normal mobility in 50 of 55 injections (91%). Baskin told rheumawire that 44% of patients had complete resolution of arthritis in the treated joint, with no residual swelling, pain, or loss of mobility, and all the other patients had substantial improvement.As might be expected, treatment was most effective in those treated earliest in the disease course, with greatest improvement seen with treatment given within one year of disease onset (p=0.04 for <1 year vs >1 year between diagnosis and treatment). "If we treat early in the acute phase, there is significant or total resolution of acute symptoms before the patient develops chronic sequelae, destruction of cartilage, thickening of the joint capsule, or changes in underlying bone," Baskin said. "Once chronic changes occur, they seem to be irreversible."
It's important for interventional radiologists and rheumatologists to pool their expertise to fight this disease together.
Adverse effects included asymptomatic hypopigmentation or subcutaneous atrophy in 20 patients (53%). These problems correlated directly with volume of injected steroid per patient weight (mean 0.06 mL/kg vs 0.04 mL/kg, p=0.005 for those with vs without hypopigmentation or atrophy). The investigators think that reducing the volume of steroid injected will likely prevent this problem.
"It's important for interventional radiologists and rheumatologists to pool their expertise to fight this disease together, to improve the quality of life for affected children and the long-term chances that those who outgrow this disease may live as active, mobile, pain-free adults," Baskin said.


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Opisat ću kako je izgledalo prvi put, u općj anesteziji.

Dodjete na bolnicki odjel imunoreumatologije u Klaićevoj u 8h ujutro (na taste)
Dijete preuzmu sestre, izvagaju, izmjere i obuku u pidžamicu (od doma).
Ovisno kad si na redu... mi bili prvi u 9h ...dijete odvoze o operacijsku salu, vi ostajete ispred vrata cekati.
Dobija sirup kao uvod u anesteziju..
Ukupno je u tom op. prostoru oko 1h, ali sam zahvat traje kratko.
Kad se probudi.odvode je u sobu na odjel. Tu s djetetom može samo jedan roditelj biti (sto je nama jako tesko palo)
Ostaje na odjelu 2h, ne smije ni piti ni jesti tih 2h poslije buđenja.
Ako je sve OK ide se kući.
24h se ne smije stati na nogu
Preporučujem ponijeti sterilne komprese, ona koju je dobila u bolnici je odmah otpala. Treba sacuvati mjesto uboda od ulaza bakterija, virusa..

Dan prije se obavlja razgovor s anesteziologom (koji mozda ni nece biti na zahvatu, nego neki drugi).
Prvi put je anestezija isla intravenozno, drugi put na maskicu.

Zglobovi izgledaju otečeno, izmučeno ali nakon par dana se sve smiri i dođe u normalu.

Na Šalati to obavljaju u lokalnoj anesteziji.

Jako je važno da su osigurani sterilni uvjeti, pa se zato obavlja u operacijskoj sali.

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A sam zahvat se navodno smije obaviti 2 puta godisnje.

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Rekla si da punkcije lokalno obavljaju na Šalati, ali obavljaju i u Klaićevoj ovisi sve o starosti djeteta. Pričala sam sa jednom mamom koja je rekla da su bili na nekoliko punkcija do sad - kad je bilo manje dijete u operacijsku ga šalju, ali ovu zadnju je dobio lokalno. Slaže se sa mnom da je za manju djecu to previše traumatično da ga pikaju "na živo" tj pod lokalnom.


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I mi smo imali 3 punkcije u godini dana - ne bi smjelo proći manje od tri mjeseca od prve do druge punkcije - mi smo radili u 12. mj, pa u 4.mj, pa u 10. mj. I više ne smijemo. Ako sad ne upali ne ginu nam anti TNF.


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Da li saznala kako navode punkcijsku iglu u oper. sali?
U Sarajevu koliko sam shvatila to rade rentgenom :shock:

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Sto je bilo nakon prve i druge punkcije da ste morali i treci put?
otok, ukočenost..?

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razlog neuspjeha punkcija leži u našem liječenju prije dolaska u metropolu, ajde potrudit ću se pa poslat jedan opsežniji mail...


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Od kortikosteroida u zglob (koljeno), ostala nam je nuspojava potkožna atrofija masnog tkiva s hipopigmentacijom . Pojavilo se netipično nakon 2 mjeseca i to sa vanjske strane. Pomoći nema, ali nekima prođe rastom

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isto kao kod kate
samo što je naša prva punkcija bila na šalati kada je postvljena dijagnoza, a sve ostalo je isto kao i kod kate, čak i atrofija masnog tkiva, ali ne na koljenu nego na desnom skočnom zglobu koji je također tada ( drugi put) punktiran, i ta hipopigmentacija kod ne malo čudno izgleda jer je ona tamnoputa, ali ne smeta
sve zlo u tome kako kažu stari

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punk. 08.07, 12.07
pogoršanje 04.08, decortin 1 mj
nastavak mtx, nalgesin, folacin
3. punk. 20.01.10 5mg lederlola i.a. desno koljeno
bez lijekova od 05.10
27.09.10. izliječena

trenutno smo u narančastoj fazi


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Mi smo isto primjetili kod punkcije koljena kao malu udubinu , izobličenje na mjestu di je boden, a ima i malu flekicu bjelije kože,a sad se to malo proširilo.Da li je tko za tu pojavu pitao doktora H. :roll:


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jesmo mi, hipopigmentacija te atrofija potkoznog masnog tkiva, trebalo bi proći rastom djeteta, ako bude sreće
izgleda da je to česta pojava nakon punkcije, jer i on sam kaže, "gdje steroid dođe ni trava ne raste" :(

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Toga se i bojimo.Znači od punkcije nije bilo koristi ,opet smo na MTX-u a posljedice ostaju.Kad smo išli na punkciju to je izgledalo kao ništa strašno .Barem nam je tako objašnjeno.U to vrijeme smo puno manje znali otoj boleštini.Sad treba sačekat i vidjet posljedice MTX-a


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kod nas je to oštećenje veće od veličine 5kn i kao da se širilo vremenom
sad mi se čini da je mrvicu manje vidljivo

Igore, teško je znam, ali nema se nažlost izbora, MTX je još uvijek najbolje oružje, daje se u puno manjim dozama nego kod malignih bolest i to više od 20 godina, pa ni nuspojave nisu tako teške

morate se boriti na sve načine, ne samo lijekovima, npr. pomozite njegovoj jetri salatom od maslačka, makar je samljeli pa stavili u čokolino

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